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"Mary Sue" says nothing. by LillianBell "Mary Sue" says nothing. by LillianBell
I'm not much of a stamp person, but this one needed to be made.

Before people ask, here is my problem: Everyone has a different definition of 'Mary Sue'. Some will say it's a flat or boring character, some will say it's an overly-perfect character, some will say it's a character who draws too much attention to themselves, or any combination of those. I'm sick of seeing people critique someone else's work by blurting out "MARY SUE" without justifying their answer. Simply disliking a character doesn't make them bad.

Instead, people should try to use words you can actually find in the dictionary- words that mean something consistent. Critique is for helping, not insulting

And no, I'm not saying people should stop using the word altogether. I'm mainly talking about literary criticism here.

Also! Every time you link an unsuspecting writer to the Mary Sue Litmus Test, a puppy dies. So stop it.

Oh yeah! Template comes from: [link] :salute:
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otterwillow Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
the big problem with Mary sues, is these days the only requirement is to be female,

And may of them are created by young artist and writers who need kindness and help to improve, not hate:) (Smile) 
MarioSonicPeace Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2014
So true. I totally agree. 
GraniteCheese Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Japan emote Agreeable.
ufd Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
I agree.
xJustAnotherHuman Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I may sound like a hypocrite, since I use the term 'Mary-Sue' alot, but I totally agree with you on this.
EasyParadox Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I go by the definition of "An overidealized fan character that is solely for gratifying the author's imagination/fantasies."

I’ve seen Mary Sue used attributively to define a character (fan and original) that are in no particular order:

Having powers.
Having exotic features that may or may not be incompatible with the story’s setting.
Being overly cliched.
A reflection of the author or self insert.
A romance magnet.
Wins over others with little to no effort.
Being very fortunate.
Being very unfortunate .
Having unusual eye or hair color.
Illogical hybrids or “chimera” type characters.
Distorts their surroundings or other characters.
Breaks suspension of disbelief.
Steals the spotlight.
Upstages canon characters.
Copycat of canon character.
Being a mouthpiece for the author's beliefs.
For fan character only: being paired with a canon character.
Being a “Swiss Army Knife” of talents.
A character they don't like.
A character with something about them they don't like.
Any combination of the above.

Did I miss something? =p
ufd Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
There is more to the definition than just that, because if we were to go by "An overidealized fan character that is solely for gratifying the author's imagination/fantasies" you could fit an OC that's done right. It can also be the definition of a "cliche character." How I look at a mary-sue is "an OC, mostly author inserted OC, that is so perfect, she cannot be effected by the conflict of the narrative." In other words, it's a character with little to no backstory, little to no character development, everything always goes her way, overly perfect or overly imperfect, nothing touches her. No conflict ever effects her. Everything goes her way, the way she wants it, because she's the main character. This also goes for boys as well. 

Believe it or not, the term mary-sue came from an old Star Trek fan fiction, where there was a character named Mary Sue. 
CelticKawaii Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Did you mention Being at all attractive? Or Having a mental disorder? Yup, even if they're not Fairest of Them All or if their disorder is shown to have serious drawbacks, it's still totally Sue. :P
EasyParadox Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Nice sarcasm.

Note: For brevity Sue is used as a unisex term.

What you mentioned fall under the umbrella of fortunate/unfortunate. If Sue were a term to describe the weather it would be liking having the same word for cloudy or clear skies.

I don't make a big deal out of attractiveness unless there's black holing that goes with it.  People get way to worked up over it IMO.

I'm part of the "old guard" so to say. I consider mental disorder to be Anti-Sue or just plain bad execution if done improperly.  I'm guessing the angst boom that started in the early aughts (2000s) made it that way; that's just my own speculation though. 

I'd highly recommend looking at the work of :iconnovadestin: if you think the term Mary Sue is misused too much.
kronos-kirbi Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. Sometimes it's a matter of someone needing a bigger vocabulary than just "mary sue".
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